Insights Podcasts The Testing Show: Qualipride

The Testing Show: Qualipride

June 22, 2022

In celebration of June being Pride month, The Testing Show is doing a special program focusing on “Qualipride”, which is the Employee Resource Group (ERG) for LGBTQ+ identifying employees and their allies.

To discuss this, guest host Fiona Dawson joins James Barret, Audry, Maulana, Brandon McGuire, Chandra Nair, and Lacy Norris to discuss how Qualipride champions diversity and that diversity benefits Qualitest in its entirety.














Michael Larsen (INTRO):

Hello and welcome to The Testing Show.

Episode 117


In this episode, we are doing a special program focusing on “Qualipride”, an initiative for LGBTQ+ identifying employees and their allies.

To discuss this, guest host Fiona Dawson joins James Barret, Audry Maulana, Brandon McGuire, Chandra Nair, and Lacy Norris to discuss how Qualipride champions diversity and why that diversity challenges us every day to expand the way we see the world and solve problems together.

And with that, on with the show.


Fiona Dawson (00:00):
Michael,tThank you so much for that great intro. I am honored and delighted to be invited as your guest host for the Qualitest, The Testing Show podcast, Qualipride special edition. So everybody, my name is Fiona Dawson. My pronouns are she/her. I am a cisgender bisexual immigrant woman living in Austin, Texas. I know you knew it was Austin, Texas by the accent, right? <laugh> but a lot of people hear the voice and they think I’m from England. And yes, I grew up there, but I left in 1998 and I quickly got to Texas in 2000, 22 years ago now. And it’s a place I love because it is hot and it is cheap <laugh>, but that is my home. I am a filmmaker and especially known for my advocacy around LGBTQ topics. I did a couple of films around trans people in the US military.

Fiona Dawson (00:49):
So you can easily find it with an online search on transmilitary. I’m also a keynote speaker, specifically around diversity, equity, and inclusion or DEI topics and LGBTQ topics. And I’m soon to be an author. I have a book coming out this fall, titled “Are Bisexuals Just Greedy?”. I love my career. I have my own company called Free Lion Productions and it’s because I get to meet people from all across the world and have amazing conversations with people like yourselves here at Qualitest. So I’m thrilled to be here and to hear some personal stories. I think that’s enough about me. We are here for very upbeat, positive, and inspirational conversation about being LGBTQ and specifically here at Qualitest. So let’s get right to it and meet your panelists. We have some fabulous individuals who I would like to invite to introduce yourselves. So let’s start off with James. Hello, James. If you’d like to go ahead and let us know, how long have you been with Qualitest? How do you identify? Where are you located and what do you love about your job?

James Barrett (01:52):
Hi, Fiona. Well, thank you for that introduction. My name is James Barrett. I identify as a cisgender gay man. I’ve been with Qualitest and its predecessor companies going back about 20 years now. What I love about my job is that I’m always doing something new, always doing something different. I get to engage both my technical skills as well as my creative skills. And I love working with people. And so that’s what I really love about my job.

Fiona Dawson (02:21):
That’s amazing, James. Thank you. Quickly, tell me, where are you located?

James Barrett (02:25):
I am located in Houston, Texas.

Fiona Dawson (02:28):
Fabulous. Just down the street from me. <laugh> that’s great. Let’s find out from Audry. So Audry, welcome to the podcast. Please introduce yourself.

Audry Maulana (02:38):
Thank you so much, Fiona, for having me here, such a great honor for me to be on this podcast. I am a cisgender gay man. I’ve been working with Qualitest… I’m quite new. I’m the new kid on the block. I’ve been with Qualitest for two years now. What I love about my job is definitely the team. So shout out to my team. The people that I work with are very supportive. They’re always fun to be with.

Fiona Dawson (03:04):
That’s awesome. And I realize Audry, I think you are the person that’s the furthest away right now, right from us in the US. Where are you located

Audry Maulana (03:13):
In Porto, Portugal. But if you notice that my name is not Portuguese at all, it’s because I was born in Indonesia. I grew up there and then I moved to Portugal around six years ago.

Fiona Dawson (03:26):
Oh wow. I love Portugal. That’s a great place. Mm-hmm <affirmative> so thank you, Audry. <laugh> So, Lacy, you’re up next, please, Lacy. Welcome. If you could, give yourself an intro.

Lacy Norris (03:37):
Thank you, Fiona. My name is Lacy Norris, transgender woman, pansexual. Actually, I am a veteran from the US army. I have been with Qualitest since July, 2018, when they acquired the company I was working with before. Located in the Chapel Hill area of North Carolina. What I love most about my job is being a consultant. I work with various clients of various projects, so it’s constantly changing. So I am not doing the same thing all the time.

Fiona Dawson (04:18):
That’s great, Lacy. Thank you. Great to meet you. A fellow person pan/bi like me. Similar to me. <laugh> how about Brandon? Brandon, would you like to introduce yourself?

Brandon McGuire (04:31):
Hello. Thank you for having me. My name is Brandon McGuire. I’m a gay male. He/him. Cisgender. I live in Laurel, Maryland. I’m directly in between DC and Baltimore, which was on purpose because we have clients, Baltimore Philly, the whole east corridor. So I position myself where I can get on the train and pretty much head up anywhere I need to be. I’ve been with the company 12 years. I also came with an acquisition along with James and I’ve been 12 years now. James kind of hit on it. One of the things that I enjoy about my job (and not everybody can say that) is that it has over the 12 years that I’ve been here is the constant change. I’ve been on projects for reposession software, university application software, utility outage management software, just the breadth of types of projects we get to be on and really learn about how other companies operate. So I love to learn. So it’s always a learning curve. And I also, like Lacy, I’m a veteran of the air force. We had a lot of veterans in our company.

Fiona Dawson (05:41):
It’s fantastic to meet you too, Brandon. And now we have Chandra, our final panelist. Welcome, Chandra.

Chandra Nair (05:48):
Thank you, Fiona. I’m based in London. So me and my partner, we actually live in the heart of the city. Love the city, which actually makes you live the way you want. I’ve always believed in not giving labels to what I am, to who I am, et cetera, but I’m quite happy with what I am. And if I were to call today that I’m actually a gay man, so be it, but I’m not usually a person to actually… to label myself to be very honest. That just my perspective. I’ve had an interesting journey over the last two decades. I actually worked for an IT services company for almost 18 years and I actually moved on. Support had the local strategies, not just specific to supporting the needy, but also supporting a few people within my friend circle who actually would represent from the LGBTQ community.

Chandra Nair (06:49):
So that actually made me feel that I should probably join a company where I can talk my mind and I can actually give a very right perspective on what is good for people around. I realize saying that I see myself joining this wonderful company called Qualitest, which is a great platform. I joined them about eight to nine months ago. The company that actually gave a platform to do whatever you think you can do for your own success and betterment and for the clients and the local community. Slowly and steadily, I’m realizing that I should have probably joined this company maybe two decades before. I probably spent a lot of time in my previous company and had I joined Qualitest two decades ago, we probably would’ve actually done quite a lot and more for DNI. I think whatever we did last year was fantastic and we will actually do more in the coming years.

Fiona Dawson (07:48):
Yeah, I could appreciate that. A lot of people feel very similar to not wanting to apply labels. Let’s go into the first question actually, when it comes to labels, we’re using them within the workplace and we’re using within the LGBTQ community. So let’s start the discussion about why is Qualipride in the LGBTQ community important to Qualitest?

Chandra Nair (08:11):
James, do you want to take that? And then I can actually follow up with James.

James Barrett (08:15):
Sure. When Chandra and I were talking about this idea, back in January, we talked about being able to have a place that was safe for LGBTQ+ employees, a place where they would feel seen, welcome, supported, celebrated, and free to be themselves at work without fear of any judgment. And how could we bring that to the company? How could we make a group that would provide that platform, that support, and also be able to engage with the company as a whole, increase empathy for LGBTQ people and just making a better place to work for everybody. That really was the seed for this idea of Qualipride.

Chandra Nair (09:06):
To build what James said. I think we actually wanted people to feel safer. We wanted employees to feel and not just employees, even the prospects, that this is actually a place where they can feel at home. They can actually talk to us as if we are their family members and they will actually get that undivided attention and support, which probably they may not really get outside of their comfort zones.

Fiona Dawson (09:33):
Right. And safety is so important, of course, inside and outside of the workplace. And I know, Lacy, you shared with us that you are a trans woman living in North Carolina, which of course is a US state that historically hasn’t been that friendly, legally, towards LGBTQ people. And particularly for trans people, in fact North Carolina’s one of the 27 states where you could actually get fired for being transgender. But I would love for us to focus on the positive experience that you’ve had during your transition, as it relates to the workplace. I’m sure that having Qualipride now in a company that is addressing these issues, regardless of where you live and work in the world, is important. Could you share how important it is to you and the positive interaction that you’ve had being a trans woman here in the company?

Lacy Norris (10:22):
Yes. Thank you. It all started in 2016 with HB-2, House Bill Two. That was a very trying time for me, but my company that I was with, I was actually able to transition with them, which was kind of a scary time to begin with, but I was able to successfully do that. And then two years later, Qualitest came around. They were purchasing us and all my fears came back up. I didn’t know what was going to happen, if I was even going to be protected or had my job or what was gonna happen. And so I frantically was asking people for all kinds of information and it took a bit, but everybody was very polite. They were very accommodating and worked to get me the information I needed. Once I saw that they were a very inclusive company, they had all the policies in place, that did put my mind at ease.

Lacy Norris (11:30):
It has been a great company to work with. The HR are people partners. They did call me into the office one day, nothing came of it. So I don’t really know exactly what happened, but one of our other US offices had somebody that was considering transitioning as well. They knew that I had come out and transitioned before but they never had anyone in that office do it as well. So they were wanting to know how we did it. They wanted to know if I would’ve been open and available to talk with this person, if they needed someone to talk to and a resource. So this was even way before Qualipride came around. And I was like, “Sure, I would be more than glad!” because I knew what it was like for myself doing all this work by myself. So it’s been a wonderful experience just with this company and knowing how open and accommodating that they are.

Fiona Dawson (12:34):
That’s a beautiful story, Lacy. It sounds like when you come out and when you’re visible with your identities, not only can you help yourself, but you can help other people as well, leading by example in your visibility. It’s a really beautiful thing. I’d say also not all of our identities are visible. And I think, James, you might agree with that. In fact, a lot of our identities are beneath the surface, kind of like an iceberg. There’s that whole 90% underneath that people don’t know about us. I can tell you that I’m a cisgender bisexual person, but people would never guess that <laugh> by looking at me or hearing me. And by the way, people listening, if you’re not familiar with the word cisgender, it’s spelled with a C and I’d be happy to share like a two minute animated video in the show notes so that you could understand what the word cisgender is. It’s basically a Latin word. That means that you’re not transgender. James, in terms of coming out and being visible. How, and when did you come out at work? Was this a challenge for you? And I’d also like to hear about allyship and what allyship means to you as a gay man.

James Barrett (13:43):
All right. Gosh, I came out probably about 30 years ago, so it was a very different time in the world. I was working for a different company, not Qualitest, and that company had a reputation for being extremely conservative. At the time we were required to wear suits and ties with jackets to work every day. It was seen as a very rigid and stiff place. So I was in my early twenties and I was beginning to negotiate the issues of my own identity and felt that being in the closet was hindering my progress as a person and was also damaging my relationships at work because you come in on a Monday morning and people ask, “Well, what’d you do this weekend?” And I would say, “Ah, nothing. Just kind of hung around”, when I knew, in fact, that that was not the truth. So, eventually, I came around to gathering up the courage to come out and I was really afraid if I came out at work, I was going to lose my job because of the conservative nature of this company.

James Barrett (14:54):
So I said to myself, “Well, this is my life. And this is more important that I get my life and my work and everything aligned so that I can grow as a person and be happy”. I took my supervisor at the time aside, I just tapped her on the shoulder. I said, “Hey, do you have a few minutes to talk in private?” So we went into a small conference room, sat down and I just blurted it out. I said, “I’m gay.” And my supervisor started chuckling. She smiled. And she said, “I really don’t know what to say. I was afraid you were going to tell me that you were quitting or that you had cancer.” And I, I breathed a sigh of relief on that. It was definitely one of those moments that I’ll probably never forget. That started me down the path of being more honest at work.

James Barrett (15:47):
So selectively, I was able to come out to colleagues whom I thought were safe. And eventually, the following year, I brought my partner to the company holiday party. There were probably some folks there who didn’t know that I was gay and there were some awkward conversations where people said… I know they didn’t mean this as an insult or to be mean where they said, “Well, I don’t think you look gay.” And I said, “Well, that’s not really, you know, not an issue”, but people may have thoughts on their minds about what constitutes a gay person or a transgender person or a lesbian or any other identities that are out there on the spectrum. And it’s really not until you meet somebody that really changes that perception in their minds. All in all, it was a good experience. And then over the years, as I became more comfortable with myself and happy at work, I found that it really was better to be out. As far as allyship,

James Barrett (16:47):
It’s interesting. I think over the years, thinking back, especially to that time when I was probably more timid, I’m actually an introvert at heart. And I know a lot of IT folks are also in the same boat as I. I really wanted to get that sense of, “It’s gonna be okay.” And I was lucky enough that I had people around me who were able to challenge whatever ideas or notions I had and help confirm that, “Yeah, it’s gonna be all right”. If you come out, you can have a satisfying life and you will do fine at work. You will not lose your job. And that life will be good. I found my allyship within the community. And then over the years, different people, they’re encouraging. They’re supportive. When I know I talk about Qualipride, the thing about an ally is, the ally is going to stand up for you when you leave the room. And I think that’s really something that is gonna stick with me for a long time.

Fiona Dawson (17:53):
Yeah. That’s a really good point as well, James, about standing up when you’re not in the room. I heard a story about somebody who identifies as non-binary and they were saying how grateful they are when people will correct other people if they get the pronouns wrong. But then if they hear somebody correcting them, when they’re not in the room, like it’s an extra big warm hug. So I think people standing up for us, even when we don’t know that, I think is an extra form of allyship. I love your coming out story, James, too. I had to come out at work about 16 years ago and I was terrified. And back then I was still identifying as gay rather than bisexual. And I said to my new boss, “Liddy, I’ve got something to tell you. I’m gay.” And she goes, “Oh my God, that’s amazing. I’m Latina.” <Laugh>.

Fiona Dawson (18:40):
So I feel like we have this intersection of identities that can support each other, but Brandon, I’d love to move on to you. I’m fascinated about the work that you do at Qualitest, especially cuz engineering is so different from the work I do as a filmmaker and advocate, but I also have a fascination with words and I get the impression that words can really matter a lot, especially within the field. So I’m curious, does LGBTQ or being LGBTQ and a gay man, how does it show up at work specifically like in testing and language and advancing technologies, do you think that being a part of the community and outside of the binary of heteronormaty, does that affect you in your work at all? Or think outside of the box in a different way?

Brandon McGuire (19:26):
No, I don’t think… I mean, this is going on 12 plus years now. I’ve never had a problem with any of my clients. They’ve never had a problem with me, either, that I know of. Like, on my current project, I’ve been on for five years when my husband and I bought a house, my principal project manager got us a lucky bamboo plant. And then when we got married because we’ve been together going on over 11 years now, but we’ve only been married three… when we got married, she got us a gift card. Your client… I mean, some of ’em are short term projects. You don’t get to know your colleagues as much, but I’ve been blessed with many of my projects to get to know the people I’m working with that are employees of the client. I’ve never had a bad experience, which you know, I’m knocking on wood and I’m consider myself very blessed. Even when I came out with Qualitest, with our predecessor through the acquisition, it was like a given they didn’t care, nobody cared. They were like, “Oh cool, well, we can’t wait to meet Kelvin.”

Fiona Dawson (20:32):
That’s great. You’ve had a wonderful experience, too. Audry, you shared with us that you are originally from Indonesia and you’ve been living in Portugal for about six years, which is a beautiful country <laugh> but I actually got to live and work there as in Lisbon for a year back in 1999, but I still identified as straight back then. But anyway, let’s talk about your experience in different countries. What observations do you have about the differences between living as a gay man and Indonesia compared to Portugal?

Audry Maulana (21:03):
Oh gosh. Where do I start? There’s a lot of differences, obviously. Indonesia, it’s still a very conservative society, if you want to say that. It’s obviously not as accepting or as privileged as my life in Portugal. For example, like in Indonesia, don’t even think about holding hands with your same sex partner or transgender people are there, but they are ridiculed. We have media representation, but always like transgender people are like, “Oh, this comedian who makes funny gesture and everybody laugh at them.” Yeah. There’s a lot of limited job opportunities. For example, for transgender people. At workplace, it’s also real difficult for you to be out. So that’s why, when I was thinking about all of this, I realized that I have such a huge privilege as a gay man myself, I can do something about it. So that’s what I’ve been doing. I just show people, my friends and families, you know, like I’m gay, but it doesn’t mean that I have to fit into some kind of stereotype.

Audry Maulana (22:11):
As you say it very beautifully, being gay is just part of my identity. It’s not my whole identity. With that, I think my friends are more accepting of gay people in Indonesia. And my family also like think, “Okay, you are just like any other person, basically.” Which we are. We’re just another human being, that we don’t want nothing else beside respect and love, basically. So sometimes it’s still disheartening for me to see social media comments about LGBTQ or pride month. And there’s a lot of negativity in there, but I’m just trying to be myself and to show people that there’s a role model for LGBTQ people in Indonesia. Things will eventually get better.

Fiona Dawson (22:58):
Yeah. Do you visit Indonesia very often and get to share your story?

Audry Maulana (23:03):
Yep. So the last time was actually in January, this year, I visited there with my boyfriend, but I was very self conscious about, “Let’s not holding hands, let’s not hug each other in public” and things like that. I was very self conscious about it, just to be able not to draw too much attention. Yeah. So it’s a bit tough, but someday we’ll get better the situation there.

Fiona Dawson (23:30):
Yeah. I think by coming out, sharing your stories and talking in this way, I think certainly does prove to help things get better. Chandra, I’d like to ask you another quick question specifically towards engineering company. You know, this is an engineering company that does testing. Why particularly in this field is diversity important in this company?

Chandra Nair (23:52):
For especially an IT services company or such an engineering company, you need to have diverse people who can actually bring in diverse perspectives to the solutions or to the problems. It could be anyone, not just male or female, any diverse people with any background will have their much better way of communicating or thinking process. Hence, if you look at most of the companies of late, do believe on the importance of actually having D&I as one of their goals or even one of their objective where it’s not just about diversity, thought, it’s also about including those people as part of an inclusion. So that’s a reason why, in Qualitest, as we believe bringing diverse people within the organization, be it any group that they actually represent will bring in a much better way of thinking and delivering on complex projects that we actually have. If we bring diverse people onto the table and we actually give them a very safe environment, they will actually make their left brain work so smartly, it’ll not just help the organization, but it’ll help themselves on bringing innovation into the technology.

Fiona Dawson (25:19):
So, so important. So it’s great that you have Qualipride kicking off at this time within Qualitest. And I’d like to just quickly go around the table for everybody to give some closing thoughts. I’d like to start with Audry, if you would just like to give some closing thoughts and just let us know where can people find you? Are you available? Are you gonna be speaking anywhere? Or if people wanna connect, where can they find you?

Audry Maulana (25:45):
Sure. Yeah. My final thought is I think every city is very important in any workplace. Actually. I have a funny story about this. When I was interviewing with Qualitest, I just name, drop my boyfriend in the interview. Oh. They asked me to move to another location and I was like, “Okay, but I have to talk to my boyfriend first.” And for me it’s kind of like a test. I just want to see like how accepting is this organization? You know, like if they will accept gay people, I also want to see the reaction of the interviewer. But once they were like, “Yeah, sure.” There’s nothing. There’s nothing funny about it. There’s nothing wrong with it. I was like, “Yep. This is what I want to be. This is an office that I want to be.” You can reach me on my LinkedIn. It’s gonna be on the description of the podcast.

Fiona Dawson (26:34):
Sounds great, Audry. I can feel the joy in your voice, sharing that. When you say… I love it. Thank you. Lacy closing thoughts from you, anything you’re excited about for the LGBTQ community? Where can people find you?

Lacy Norris (26:49):
Just like Audry, I mean, diversity is very important. I know what it was like when I was trying to come out in that political environment. As far as things coming up in the LGBT community, I’ve actually been very quiet. So I haven’t really been following it. In the past, I was kind of an activist with the HB-2 stuff. And then the whole thing with the trans military ban, I put myself out there. So I’ve just kind of been sitting back. It takes a lot of energy for that stuff. So I’ve just kind of been, been quiet there. So I haven’t been really following up with a lot of stuff there. I am not really speaking in or anything as far as testing goes, but I could be found on LinkedIn. And as far as personally, I do have a small YouTube channel bumblebee hikes, bumblebee is two words. So I could be found there. Right now, it’s a little slow. I haven’t been uploading any new content, but it will be picking up here eventually.

Fiona Dawson (27:58):
That’s amazing. Lacy, I am gonna be looking for you on YouTube <laugh> right now. And I love the name bumble bee.

Lacy Norris (28:07):
It’s a trail name.

Fiona Dawson (28:09):
So yeah. I wanna know more about that sometime. I have a bee tattoo soo <lauggh>… and Brandon, how about you? What are your thoughts?

Brandon McGuire (28:19):
I’m really excited with the qualified that’s been kicked off here in the last month at Qualitest. I’m not sure when this is gonna publish, but myself and James and Adrian and a handful of others will be at Brooklyn Pride this weekend, this Saturday, which is June 11th. And then also you can find me on LinkedIn as well. And then I also of course suggest anybody to go to, which is our company’s website and check us out. It’s a great company and I refer friends or anybody looking for a job all the time. I’m always constantly trying to keep my ear out, what, we have a lot of open positions, so great way to get your foot in the door.

Fiona Dawson (29:02):
Yeah, that’s great. Brandon, Audry, you wanted to add something?

Audry Maulana (29:06):
Yeah. Sorry about that. People can find me also in Lisbon Pridde March. We’re organizing Qualitest participation in the Lisbon Pride March on the 18th of June. And I’m so excited. This is the first pride March in two years.

Fiona Dawson (29:21):
Yeah. Lots of pride activities happening in June. That’s great to hear that they’re happening everywhere. Chandra, would you like to give us your closing thoughts and where people can find you?

Chandra Nair (29:31):
You know, people can find me on Qualitest websites, definitely on LinkedIn. And I’m very active on LinkedIn, not just posting about Qualipride but also posting about what a great company Qualitest is, especially with regard to the culture and then what we actually bring for employees wellbeing and safety. I can talk a lot about Qualipride because I’ve been talking, talking about it. This is one of the best things I think we have brought for employees, a platform where people can actually just be what they are. And I can’t wait any longer for the Bristol Qualipride happen on the 9th of July where we will have our own stall. We will talk about the career planning. They’ll also talk about the career opportunities that we have with Qualitest. So I invite everyone to come and see us at Bristol Pride, where me and my leaders and some of my peers will actually be that not only to share a beer and wine, but also to talk about careers. We got lot of opportunities, like Brandon said, it’ll just help people’s growth. And lastly, people can actually find me on meetup. There’s another group where I represent it’s called gin. It’s called Gay India Network where I’m a very strong allyto this group aand nd I’ve supported quite a lot of people who have actually joined this group. And they’ve relocated from India to here. They wanted a voice. They actually wanted someone to share views perspectives.

Fiona Dawson (31:08):
That’s great. Chandra. And James, please give us your closing thoughts where people can find you. And it’d be great to know where else there are other group resources that Qualitest has where people can go.

James Barrett (31:21):
All right. Well, I just wanna say I am so excited about us launching Qualipride. I think that it is already, in just a few short months, we’ve grown to over a hundred members worldwide in all the countries that we operate in. And it’s really provided a way for me to get to know my colleagues and to understand other cultures as well as just make those connections. So it’s really been very fulfilling to do that. You can find me on LinkedIn. My link will be in the notes and then I will be at Brooklyn Pride festival with Brandon and some of our other Qualipride folks on June 11th. That’s in Brooklyn, New York. I’ll also be walking with Qualipride contingent in the Austin pride parade on August 20th.

Fiona Dawson (32:13):

James Barrett (32:13):
And if…yay. And uh, and if Brandon had mentioned, if you’re interested in learning more about Qualitest, go to and can learn about the openings that we have and what it’s like to work at Qualitest. And then for the folks within Qualitest, we have our Qualipride site in our internal network. So that’s what I’ve got.

Fiona Dawson (32:39):
Fantastic. So is that a goodbye from you, James? Would you like to say goodbye?

James Barrett (32:44):
<laugh> I would love to say goodbye and I wanna say thank you to you, Fiona, for being our guest host today. And.

Fiona Dawson (32:50):
that was my pleasure.

New Speaker (32:51):
Happy pride to all.

Fiona Dawson (32:53):
Happy pride to all let’s quickly go. Yeah, we’ll go round the table. You wanna chime in Lacy? You wanna say goodbye?

Lacy Norris (32:59):
Yes. Thank you. It was wonderful being here. Wonderful speaking with you. I wish happy pride to everyone and thank you and goodbye.

Fiona Dawson (33:10):

Audry Maulana (33:11):
Thank you for having me. It’s such a great discussion today. Thank you and goodbye. Happy pride.

Fiona Dawson (33:17):
Perfect. Brandon?

Brandon McGuire (33:20):
Yes. Big thanks to everybody that is on this and thanks, Fiona, for guiding us and look forward to pride month and every month thereafter with Qualipride being a year round employee resource for us at Qualitest. So thank you.

Fiona Dawson (33:36):
Thank you. Chandra?

Chandra Nair (33:38):
Thank you, Fiona. It’s amazing to talk to you once again, your set as sunshine. Whenever I actually look at you so much smile that you actually bringing. So thank you so much for giving us this platform to talk, share about Qualipride, Qualitest and all the great things that we bring onto the table. Happy pride to everyone.

Fiona Dawson (33:58):
That’s my joy and pleasure. I feel like I needed an hour with each of you individually to get all of the juicy parts of your stories out. Thank you. But as we say in Texas, “Thanks, y’all, for having me, your guest host.” It’s been an absolute pleasure and I do hope that we get to chat again, soon. If you wanna find me or watch any of my work or connect with me on any of the social platforms, please go to now with and you can find all of the things there. So take care y’all and thank you so much and happy pride.

Michael Larsen (OUTRO):
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